The Fire and Water Podcast Presents: WHO'S WHO: THE DEFINITIVE PODCAST OF THE DC UNIVERSE, Volume XThis time around we chat about WHO'S WHO: Volume X, discussing characters such as Hawkman, Hawkgirl, Hawkwoman, Hercules, Hippolyta, The Huntress, and many more! We wrap up the show with Who's Who Listener Feedback, plus Shag and I almost get into a fight over Sugar & Spike!
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Sorry to disillusion you, Rob, but--from Hawkman's first appearance in FLASH COMICS #1:
"The Hawkman - peril of the night - whose extraordinary powers are derived from Carter Hall's discovery of the secret of the ages - the NINTH Metal - which defies the pull of the Earth's gravity."
Yep, Nth metal was originally called Ninth Metal. Presumably, the change was made because Ninth Metal sounds stupid and suggests a limited number of metals before it. Probably Gardner Fox had never seen the Periodic Table of Elements. Either that, or he had a horrible misunderstanding of what zinc was good for.
Also, Shiera was depicted with black hair in the first ten issues of FLASH COMICS. It was eventually colored brown with FLASH #11. And the Golden Age Carter Hall was, of course, blonde.
Sugar and Spike really should have been included, especially since there are plenty of non-DCU features in book, especially SF features, from Atari Force to Spanner's Galaxy.
I can't help but suspect that by the "S" issue, DC was committing to the post-Crisis DCU and excluded characters that really didn't fit the new paradigm (or non-continuity comics published in the last few years). Ergo, no Silver Age Superman or Wonder Woman.
For sure Sugar & Spike should have been included. If non-DCU characters such as The Inferior Five and 'Mazing Man could be included then Sugar & Spike should have been, too. Also, didn't they team up with Stanley & His Monster at least once? And Stanley & His Monster were tied to the DCU in (bad) issues of GREEN ARROW. So, ipso facto, Sugar & Spike were in the DCU.
WTH is a "Luchador" type mask? If you're talking about E-2 Hawkman's yellow face-mask, that made its debut in the Golden Age. It had nothing to do with trying to differentiate between the E2 and E1 versions.
I always pronounced Wonder Woman's mom's name as Hippo-Lie-ta. Oops?
I will always love the E2 Helena Wayne Huntress. She's my favorite of all the versions, and this is my favorite costume. Shame on them for getting her name wrong, though.
Rob, I'm surprised you didn't call out the Aquaman appearance on Hyathis' page (from JLA #3, of course).
Favorite art of the issue: Hawkman by Joe Kubert, Hawkwoman by Paul Smith, Hawkgirl by Steve Rude, and gimpy Hourman by Murphy Anderson (but only because he takes up the whole space!)
Here's a question for you to ask your next round of celebrity guests: how did they decide what space to give the artist? What I mean is, compare Hourman father-son....one is vertical, and one is horizontal. Who decided that Hourman 2's prose wouldn't run down the length of the column ala Papa's entry?!?! Who made the layout decisions, the artists or the editor?
o) I'm regretting taking a break after the Hawks, because the second half of this book gets a bit DC Sampler #3 for a while there. Not to speak ill of the dead, but that Carmine Infantino Heatwave sucks the blackened banana out of Taggart & Rosewood's tailpipe. The lazy S.O.B. couldn't even be bothered to imagine two different scenarios for the surprint!
p) Maybe if I allow my vision to blur I can pretend Gil Kane drew a Professor Arnold Hugo entry. People routinely mock MODOK, who is actually pretty bad ass if you read his early stories or just what his acronym means. Hector Hammond in print is corny the way people portray MODOK as being.
q) Between Roy Thomas and Mike Barr, 86% of all pun names were generated for characters featured in Who's Who. This is quite the stupor-group. Point of fact, most everything terrible about '90s comics started with Jack Kirby and his imitators, followed by surface elements of Michael Golden and Art Adams. McFarlane sucked on Infinity Inc except when an inker properly hogtied him, but that still failed to prevent his criminal abuses of graphic design in wonkass panel layouts and extraneous elements in the gutters/bleed space. I was never a fan, but he was objectively better by the time he started on the Hulk and earned his legend status on Spider-Man. Too bad he's a crooked obnoxious tool who's spent more time with his legal council than at a drawing table.
r) I had a Hercules figure from the Remco Warlord line that came with an unnecessary plastic staff where an organic wooden twig off the ground would have been best. The figure was also in pure loincloth mold, near identical from the neck down with every other toy in the line. Simonson did a neat redesign that only got a couple or three issues of exposure. Cn i haz Showcase Presents, plz? What a fantastic creative pedigree!
I forgot to mention that I never liked Hourman 2. When I was in high school, back when there was still an Earth-2, I imagined my own Justice Society. In this group I one of Hourman's assistants would pick up the Miraclo pill and become the new Hourman. He was a black guy who would eventually marry Starwoman, the daughter of Ted Knight. If there ever could have been a Heritage Hero who didn't have to be related to the original, it was Hourman: super-powers from out of a bottle! Oh, well, Roy Thomas went with the drab "son of..." plot instead.
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