THE FIRE AND WATER PODCAST: Episode 25The official podcast of THE AQUAMAN SHRINE and FIRESTORM FAN
This episode Shag and I talk about AQUAMAN #11 (by Geoff Johns, Ivan Reis, Joe Prado, Jonathan Glapion, Andy Lanning, and Rod Reis) and THE FURY OF FIRESTORM: THE NUCLEAR MEN #11 (by Joe Harris, Yildiray Cinar, Marlo Alquiza, Travis Lanham, and Hi-Fi)! Fantastic issues that really ramp up the excitement! The podcast wraps up with your listener feedback!
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5 comments:
Awesome show, as always!
I wanted to mention that I *believe* that Mark Waid and Alex Ross were the very first to pick up on the King Arthur-Aquaman when they did KINGDOM COME. I think that came before Peter David? I remember reading that Mark mentioned the idea and Alex went with the visuals.
Would have liked to have seen them do something with Firestorm, too, but of course, as everyone knows, Alex Ross *hates* Firestorm and refuses to use him! (I'm kidding; I'm still sticking to my theory that Alex Ross believes the debut of Firestorm in 1979 coincides with the decline of the DCU(haha) and places all of his stories BEFORE the death of Iris Allen. It's not personal, he was just too late to the party to be included in the fun.)
1. Peter David started infusing Arthurian anglophilia into Poseidonis with 1990's The Atlantis Chronicles, although it really kicked in with the 1994 volume of Aquaman. Koryak was Mordred, Garth was Lancelot, etc. Kingdom Come came out in 1996, and if I recall correctly, even had Dolphin as his wife (another PAD originated premise.)
2. ...And who hooked up Chuck Patton and Rob Kelly? You no love me no time, Mr. Robbb.
3. I was trying to think if the 2003 series left any villainous legacy worth revisiting. The Thirst? Geist? All that Trident Industries stuff? Guess not.
4. It would be really left field if they tried to work in anything Silver Age about Ocean Master as Aquaman's half-brother, and Atlan doesn't appear to be an option, so perhaps an entirely new version is forthcoming?
5. I always loved the concept of Mercy Reef, which no longer appears relevant to Arthur Curry. Perhaps it could be recycled for Ocean Master?
6. For a brief assessment of the truth in Rob's dismissal, see Wikipedia's List of Aquaman enemies. If he needs cheering up, at least it's not the List of The Atom's enemies. On the other hand, my boy J'Onn J'Onzz's rogues could wipe the floor with the whole lot.
7. I would argue that Spider-Man has the best rogues gallery, pound for pound. Those guys are popular, varied, and formidable. Batman's rogues are just a bunch of homicidal psychopathic geeks, and there's a pretty steep drop-off in quality from the Joker to the half dozen guys in the second tier to the rest of the wimpy losers only a self-important no-power jerk would struggle against.
8. Surprisingly, Kobra has appeared in more JSA and Flash comics than anywhere else, and his clashes with Batman were related to the Outsiders as a group. Aquaman and Wonder Woman were among the first of many heroes he's fought over the years, but the Sea King is the most sincerely in need of a revised Kali Yuga.
9. Notice how Rob could not quite hide his incredulity at Shag's delusional defense of the Firestorm rogues gallery? Just thought that was worth mentioning.
10. I left the house at 8 a.m. for an inservice day, got called to work to fill a shift (sending me into construction traffic,) spent about an hour and a half on the road and didn't get home until after 11 p.m. on about four hours sleep. Luckily, I'd brought my laptop, which sat on the passenger's seat while I listened to the podcast on my lime green headphones. Thanks for the entertainment, guys!
You can say that Peter David infused his series with Arthurian anglophilia but I never saw it. Thematically the love triangle was totally absent and the king and his knights was never played up. Koryak was Mordred? Okaaay..... Visually speaking, (or maybe just more obvious than PAD) I think Waid and Ross were the first.
Agree to disagree then... but I totally disagree.
Great show!
Just an observation concerning Aquaman jumping from and out swimming the plane.
In the previous issue it's revealed that the Operative's plane is called "the Living Room" and can go hypersonic speed (any speed between mach 5 and 10).
And still Aquaman is much faster since he beat them to the island.
That's an insane showing of speed.
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